I got a pair of relaxed fit Silver Geordies in a size below my regular size, and they were perfect. So I thought I'd try a different style.These were bigger. I could probably gap down to a 34 (I wear 38s in Levi's and 36 on stretch jeans) and still be comfy. The material seemed to be more elastic than the Geordies and the cut seemed fuller. Swimming in these.Maybe it's a fluke? I'll probably try another fit, but this won't stay on me without a few staples or at least suspenders.